Mr. Brian Cowen:

And, you know, Alan Gray gave a sort of an overall assessment of how he saw things. I was trying to think up were there ideas out there how we could help, is there things we can do to try and ... you know, unemployment was starting to go on the rise, were there ideas out there that we could try and help to deal with that, and that's what I was doing. It was a sort of an informal get together. I didn't dictate the company and I'd no problem with the company that was there at that point in time. I'd no reason to think otherwise, and it was organised by Fintan, as I've said, and it was ... that ... that was what it was about, not about-----