Mr. Brian Cowen:

To be honest with you now, it didn't occur to me really much ... what was ... he said he'd get a few people together, and the people he knew were ... like, Gary McGann I knew anyway. I knew Gary McGann from the time he was chief executive in Aer Lingus. He was a very reputable businessman ... good businessman ... was with Smurfit Kappa afterwards up until recently. Fintan Drury himself - whom I knew for years - he said he'd get Seán FitzPatrick to attend. I mean, at that stage, that was fair enough. I didn't know the man very well but I had met him a few times ... a couple of times socially maybe in the past. Who else was there? And Alan Gray came because I said I'd get Alan Gray to come because he usually gives a good outline of where things are at. And that was basically the context.