Mr. Brian Cowen:

No, the fact that other people might be involving themselves with other people, I don't make any judgments on that. I haven't been involved in any of this sort of nonsense at all. It's just as ... it's a charge that is thrown out there. And by the way, Deputy, if we were so ... if all these people were so beholden to, because of all these donations they were supposed to be giving us, why is that for all the time that I was ever involved near the leadership of the party, we were in constant debt? Constant debt.