Pearse Doherty (Donegal South West, Sinn Fein)
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Okay. I want to go to page 45 of Vol. 2 of the evidence book. It's the minute of the meeting on 25 September 2008, which was referred to earlier on. And I just want to focus in on the bit where David, and I'm quoting, "D[avid] Doyle noted that Government would need a good idea of the potential loss exposure ... within Anglo and INBS - on some assumptions INBS could be 2bn after capital and Anglo could be 8½ [full stop]".