Mr. Tom Parlon:

Well, look it ... I'm very conscious that we were before Brendan McDonagh, Kevin Cardiff, Derek Moran, who I think now is the Secretary General at the Department of Finance, we were in front of heavy hitters, there was no one going to roll over, nobody was going to take a particular view. We made our case, as we always did, and very often it was, you know, it was dismissed or it wasn't taken on board-----