Mr. Cormac McCarthy:

Yes. The Minister was, as it happened, on the day of the guarantee, he had a ... we were launching a ... it was a customer event in Ulster Bank in George's Quay, and Minister Lenihan was due to come to launch that, and he turned up, which was somewhat surprising, given the events of the evening before. And I did have a conversation with him before that event started about the guarantee and the impact on Ulster Bank, and, you know, he listened, as he did, and, you know, he heard what I had to say. So that was the ... that was the first time I'd actually met him, and-----