Mr. Eugene Sheehy:

-----is decided by a separate committee of the board who are advised generally in the absence of the CEO. The CEO would come in when, obviously not when you're there ... not when your own pay is being decided. And the way it worked was, there would be a review of the financials, a review of general governance and behaviour you know did you meet all those criteria . And then a presentation by ... at the time we used a firm called Kepler.