Mr. Frank McDonald:

I have no doubt that that is also the case, and that has happened. I used to sit in the small press gallery next to the small public gallery in the former Dublin County Council chamber in O'Connell Street. I witnessed a lot of the decisions that were being made and there is no doubt in my mind that there was corruption involved. I saw that very early on and I was appalled by it, to be honest. I have not sat in at very many other local authorities around the country, but I do know about some of the decisions that were being made. Without going into details, these decisions were completely irrational from a planning point of view.