Mr. Chris Lundy:

In response to Deputy Calleary, on the issue of substantial representation, if we take two employer bodies, say, the ECA and the AECI, or even ETCI, one of those bodies could represent a member company with thousands of employees, and if we compare that body with another association that has, say, 60 member companies, we could find that the total number employees in all those companies would not number the employees in the member company of the other body. Therefore, one employer with 1,000 employees could be substantially represented. There is something radically wrong in that sense. Other organisations might have other data, like ourselves. Our total number of employees might range from 3,000 to 4,000. It is difficult to get a handle on this concept in terms of how to class something as being substantially representative.