Ms Geraldine Larkin:

The Deputy's point about the new income is quite relevant. Again, he will see from the figures provided that there is an element of new income included in our target in respect of having an operating profit of €3.5 million by 2017. Even then, that will still be contingent on our selling Harold's Cross. I cannot predict the future, I can only deal with matters as they stand. However, I hear what the Deputy is saying.

The Deputy also referred to the fact that the fines just do not fit the crime. I agree with him in that regard. I was very pleased that - on our recommendation and as identified and recommended by Indecon - my colleague, Ms Forde, presented our proposals in respect of increased fines to the control committee last week. While that committee is independent, it did accede to increased fines. We have already had a number of cases in respect of which such fines have been applied. It is also significant, not just in financial terms, that the committee has agreed to a testing order whereby all the dogs of a particular individual will be tested going forward. This is crucial because it is not just financial penalties which must be imposed. We need to use all the powers available under the legislation and within our armoury.

A question was also posed in respect of the sale of lands associated with Shelbourne Park and where the money involved went. I do not have that information to hand but I can certainly investigate the matter and report back directly to the committee on it.