Mr. Mark Toland:

It is a proper election and my friend was elected in Surrey. We went over there not just to meet him but to look at Surrey where they are very innovative and creative. They tend to pilot nearly everything in Surrey because it has quite a small force and, if it works, it goes nationwide. If it does not, Surrey has to manage it. We met that individual because we were really interested in how it works with the organisation. It is very powerful because the chief constable now reports to that individual.