Mr. John Lynskey:

The point I am making relates to looking at it on a hectare basis and looking at the value of the per hectare payment rather than the value of the overall payment. As the Deputy probably realises, the farmers about which we are talking about are on very low overall payments. Even when they come up to the payment of €150 per hectare, they will still be on a low payment. There would be a complete absence of support for the sheep industry if it is subsumed. If their payment is brought up to €150 with the help of the grassland payment, the support will be completely lost because if they never had a sheep or grassland payment, it will be brought up to that figure without the grassland payment at all but the grassland payment is used to bring that figure up.