Mr. Barry O'Brien:

No. The Deputy is asking my opinion. Quite clearly, we already heard at a previous hearing that the then CEO was part of a private pension scheme whose terms and conditions he would benefit from. I also think it is hugely erroneous for the CRC to make reference to a package which was available in 2010 in the HSE when in fact Mr. Kiely chose to retire in June 2013 when no such package was available. To use that as a basis for calculating or as a methodology to award benefits-----