Mr. Brian Conlan:

What I am saying to you, Deputy Ross, is that I was not aware that these payments were being made to Mr. Kiely. I was aware of the payments being made, as he outlined to the Committee of Public Accounts in December. This is completely new to me and is completely separate. I am as surprised as anybody about what has transpired here today. There was no record in the files in the office for the four and a half months I was there that would give lead to any of this having been agreed.