John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)
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We have to get this information out. Deputy Fleming stressed the point of public confidence and trust. This is a matter of major public concern. This committee must address that. Last week Mr. Kiely said his suggestions around this fund were "kicked out of the water". He said, "I was told it is what it is and that is the way it is to stay." It gave the impression a case had been made and Mr. Kiely went on to say it was ridiculous. As CEO he should have known. Again, I read from the transcript of last week's meeting. He said:

I tried to break it on numerous occasions but nobody wanted to know. The Department of Health did not want to know. I do not know whether I raised it with the HSE, but nobody wanted to know.

He has brought Dr. McLoughlin's Department into the firing line as well.