Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I accept all of that but Mr. O'Brien should hear me all the more clearly. I would have thought, and still think, given the turn of events of the last committee meeting and given the fact that Mr. O'Brien is in charge of human resources nationally - and pensions are a significant subset of that function - that he would be in a position to explain to the committee precisely the mechanisms and the manner by which contributions are made to the voluntary hospital scheme and, whatever about the audited accounts, to state that a fee would not be payable or appropriate, and that he would not have let that matter go unchecked. I find that extraordinary.

Does the Mater cater for other section 38 organisations? Does it handle pensions for other section 38 organisations?