John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)
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I understand that. I wish to emphasise, because we will have to consider this after we finish our hearing, that the chairman said this. We are acknowledging that there was a breakdown in systems, but there was also a breakdown in terms of the people who served on the governing body and on the internal audit committee. That must be acknowledged too. There is a further acknowledgement that this president's cost centre, or whatever it is, recorded many more other types of expenditure as well. That must be said along with everything else. Has the governing body changed in any way? How many members are on it?