Mr. Ethan Gutmann:

One of the people who was meant to attend but could not is Dr. Enver Tohti, a Uighur surgeon from the same region. In 1995 his supervisor asked him if he wanted to do something interesting and he said yes. Dr. Tothi was then asked to put a surgical team together. They were all driven to an execution ground that was specifically used for political prisoners. I have never used that as evidence because we just know that it was the same location. Prisoners were shot and one of the men, who had long hair - not like mine - was picked out. Dr. Tohti was told to work on the man. He was still alive, his heart was beating and blood pulsed out while the doctor cut him open.

He repressed the memory for years and it came out in Westminster when we were having a small parliamentary briefing. There is no question that this has been occurring. The man would have died anyway as he had been shot in a non-lethal way in the side of the chest. It was enough to send the body into an extreme form of shock in which the body is less likely to lurch and churn while someone is cutting it.

People such as Wang Lijun perfected the method and went much further. A fair amount of science has been put into this and I would not venture to say whether it is painful. I will not get into it because I do not think it is about that. The point is there is no way to sentence Falun Gong to death in China. There is no legal apparatus to do so unless they do something very wrong. The record of the Falun Gong is completely non-violent. Some Uighurs occasionally put a bomb somewhere and occasionally get sentenced to death but they are disappearing at a high rate. This has become a method to silence the population. I do not like to make direct comparisons to the Nazis. It is a bit like the Inquisition. People disappear and never show up again. Falun Gong are particularly vulnerable because many practitioners refused to give their names and provinces when arrested in order to avoid trouble for their families and so that their families were not taken in for questioning and did not lose their jobs. These were the very first victims and there were thousands of them. They have literally disappeared off the face of the earth.