Mr. David Matas:

Perhaps I could add something to that. The problem we face is not just preventing this practice but also finding out about it, as there is no compulsory reporting. There is not even a voluntary reporting system. Some of the legislative reforms introduced around the world, such as in France or Israel, require compulsory reporting. We know there is transplant tourism out of the British Isles because people are disappearing from the waiting lists without having died. There is no official information on where these people have gone or where they got organs. One can cross a border to get a transplant and it is not necessarily an abuse; whether it is an abuse depends on whether the person is complicit in organ sourcing when the source does not consent or where the organ is being bought. There is an information vacuum that is part of the lawlessness in the area.