Ms Caroline Casey:

I apologise, 9%. I am in the business of fund-raising and have been doing this for 13 years. I set up a foundation which engages business around disability. It is a really tough area to work in. It is terrifying, not just for the organisations that I run but for lots of those with which we work. There are huge cuts for this group of individuals. When we first talked about this I too was uncomfortable with it but then I asked should we cut off our nose to spite our face. If these people exist and they have money, and they do, as Ms Mortell said, why should they not pay? The Deputy is right, it should not be seen to be easy. It is not easy. We can make it difficult and agree the principles and try to find a way that does not make our stomach crawl but gets money from groups of individuals who have it. The situation will not just be desperate in two years’ time, it is desperate now, before these foundations shut down. There are foundations, organisations and communities shutting down all the time. It is already scary, before they leave. Although I do not like doing it, I see a group of individuals from whom we can get that money so why not get it? Let us look at how to do it because it is worth debating rather than cutting off our nose to spite our face.