Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 14 March 2013

Public Accounts Committee

2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter 21 – Expenditure on Welfare and Employment Schemes
Chapter 22 – Welfare Overpayment Debts
Chapter 23 – Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Social Insurance Fund – Annual Accounts 2011

12:05 pm

Photo of Kieran O'DonnellKieran O'Donnell (Limerick City, Fine Gael)
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Why have extra people not been assigned to the area? The topic arises every time departmental representatives come before the Committee of Public Accounts. I have not been a member of the Committee of Public Accounts for very long but it has come up every time. I imagine the transcript of the debate from last year is similar. This is not personal because our job in the PAC is to get value for the taxpayer. Less than 0.5% of spending is being captured as abuse of the system. It is important to distinguish between genuine inadvertent overpayments and fraud. The Comptroller and Auditor General made reference to distinguishing these cases. There are genuine cases but, with the large increase in social welfare payments and the additional 1,000 community welfare officers arriving in October 2011, the opportunity existed to increase the complement of 90 and to set up a targeted area of fraud. The public looks at this point. We are conscious of it every day of the week.