Paschal Donohoe (Dublin Central, Fine Gael)
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I will conclude on that point. Our difficulty in discussing these schemes is that when we press further on a particular project, the answer that we tend to get from Mr. Barry and others is that they cannot go into the detail for reasons of confidentiality, which I understand.

In the absence of those types of answers, a judgment along the lines to which I referred earlier is often formed. I wanted to establish with Mr. Barry broadly where the allocation of that downside has been and where it might be in the future.

I would like now to engage in some discussion with Mr. O'Mahony about CIE. Since the last occasion on which I met Mr. O'Mahony, I have purchased a Leap card. It is an exceptional scheme, the planning for which I am aware took a great deal of time. It is being marketed well. The combination of the Leap card with the real time passenger information system will, in my view, lead to a real change in how people perceive the Dublin bus network and how it can be integrated with other forms of public transport. It is a hugely positive nudge to achieving the type of public transport system we all want. The success of the departmental working group on this matter must be acknowledged.