John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)
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Can I stop Mr. Murphy there? They are not because many of these services can be provided in the private sector but CIE bullies people off the pitch. That must be acknowledged. I have seen numerous reports from private bus operators in particular that contend that that is the case. I will not go into it now because it is not Mr. Murphy's remit but it is impossible to get to the end of the school transport system, and it is costing the taxpayer an enormous amount of money in terms of the way it is managed. To go back to my question because I do not want to lose the-----