Mr. John Dolan:

I know. I was not being belligerent in terms of not trying to answer. Every charity and community group is there for the public's benefit and the HSE as well. We all have to be advocates as well as doers. That is why I was resisting the Chairman. The really good mix comes between the reflection and pushing each other. In God's name, can we try to have something to go hand-in-hand with the fiscal aspect? We have to keep the show on the road for people, be they young, old or disabled. There is a huge connection between people's income requirements and the services they can or cannot depend on. That formula needs to be thought about more. One can have useful conversations with people about their income levels if one can tell them that there are education and health services available.

I appreciate the opportunity to appear before the joint committee and the respect with which my contribution has been taken.