Mary White (Fianna Fail)
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Let me interrupt Mr. O'Brien at this point. I know that when Connie Doody and I started Lir Chocolates, we received IR£5,000 from the Bank of Ireland in Dundrum. Ours was a new high risk company. Even Mr. John Trethowan agrees that banks are only giving money to safe customers.

The Small Firms Association, SFA, is not talking loudly enough about this issue.