James Geoghegan (Dublin Bay South, Fine Gael)

I am thinking particularly with my Dublin hat on and about people looking in. We think about all the cultural spaces, artists' spaces and the tax changes we are making in the budget to convert empty office space into housing, and then we come to the State agency and we hear about occupancy levels of 30% to 45%. I hear what Mr. Conlon says about the figures, but he did give them to us, so that is why I am quoting them. We are talking about dealing with vacancy and dereliction in Dublin and elsewhere around the country and people are looking in and saying the State is managing a portfolio that is not actually filled with the workers in the buildings they own or lease. Mr. Conlon can understand how that looks and feels, the level of frustration that might be out there in relation to that and the urgency that is needed to clarify, deal with and address this issue to see if these buildings can be put into better use.