Ruairí Ó Murchú (Louth, Sinn Fein)

I do not expect the Minister to have the answer to my question now. It is a follow-on from what the Cathaoirleach asked. We need a breakdown of the number of the referrals to Tusla. For the complex cases in particular, can we separate those who have come from abroad and those who are from Ireland? If we are looking at an increase in complex cases, there is also a need at some level to look back at the history of the State's involvement with some of these individuals and families to see whether there are things that could have been done better. I have no doubt that the latter is the case. This is from the point of view of learning and getting to a better place. We need to have information. On the basis of what the organisation said to the committee on the previous occasion, there has been an increase in Tusla making referrals. That tells me Tusla is under severe pressure. We know about the other issues.