Mr. Francis Doherty:

I had very limited interaction with the individual because they were based in Kerdiffstown. They would not have been a frequent visitor or needed to interact with the head office in Dublin. I was advised by a senior HR official that they had learned of the person's appointment having returned from holidays. There was no advertisement or indication that a role like that needed to be created in the organisation. Everything about that situation was learned after the fact, including the property that was acquired and contracts that were entered into. That individual resigned shortly after I became CEO because when things were being revealed, I tried to ascertain whether rent was actually being paid to the organisation for the property. As part of that, I interacted with the individual and asked if they could confirm that, and they did. That was my limited interaction with them.