Mr. David Kelly:

As I said earlier, we would not have been involved in those procurement processes. If a local authority ran a process and four organisations put in bids, we would not have been involved in looking at the various people who put in bids. When a local authority put in their service plan, we would be told what service would be provided, who is providing it and at what cost. We would have no visibility of what other organisations had proposed to deliver those services and at what cost.