Ms Kate Duggan:

There were a number of other pieces in terms of the timing of both those cases when they would have been involved in services. Then there was a Covid lockdown. It is back to Deputy Geoghegan's question. There was a period in Ireland when there was not the same level of visibility on children, whether that was a GP, a developmental check, their local running club - whatever it was - where people saw children and had eyes on them. I am not even talking about children open to Tusla; I mean just more generally. We do see, and there is lots of research being done on this, the impact of Covid-19 on children in terms of some of the presenting concerns we see now, even in older children, as a result of Covid-19.