Joe Neville (Kildare North, Fine Gael)

I thank the witnesses for coming in. I know they have very difficult jobs and a huge responsibility. I think a number was said. Was it 1.2 million children in the State? That burden of responsibility, I imagine, bears heavily on all the witnesses' shoulders. We are here to ask questions, and all of us do so together in the full knowledge that we are elected on behalf of the State to ask the questions, but we do acknowledge the difficult and sensitive situations the witnesses deal with. As I said, I can only imagine that weighs heavily. We are thinking of the likes of Daniel and Kyran, obviously, and their individual situations and we are asking the questions on the basis that we want to know what happened - ultimately, that will come out - and how we can try to ensure that it will not happen again. Ms Duggan said that the commonality between the two cases was Covid and that it was felt that the limits imposed on Tusla because of Covid could have led to this. Was that the point she was making, just for clarity?