Mr. Andy Pike:

Very briefly.in response, as I said a few minutes ago, we have been working with the Department of education on the workforce development review. The Department's own research confirms what we knew about how SNAs felt about being excluded and not being full members of the school community. Work is under way to try to put that right but it is more of a culture change that has to happen. Yes, terms and conditions are vital but it also about the way in which we all think about the role of the SNA. Do we think about the role and the people in the same way as we would about teachers? There is a bit of an organisational mind shift required across the whole sector. Qualifications do play a huge part. If people are seen as being qualified members of staff, the way they are included and treated is often very different than if they are untrained or unqualified.