Alan Kelly (Tipperary North, Labour)

Wait a second. I think there was also a creative management group of three people brought in around 2019 or 2020. Let us just say there is a group of people who do this work and have done it in the past. The general public, who I am reflecting because that is my job, think it is bananas because if there are people inside who can do this work, why is it not being done inside? That is my question. My other question relates to podcasts and retirement at 66 or 67.