Ms Susanne Rogers:

I think that is it. It as if I am on the beach watching the ships go out. I was at a local authority - a county council - recently. We were looking at making a presentation on the first floor. There was a big discussion about the lift, which we did not think was wide enough for wheelchair access. The question then was whether there was nobody working there who was in a wheelchair? Probably not. Our basic infrastructure is not geared up to it. It is exactly that, though. What you will find is that disabled people work for disabled persons organisations and Travellers tend to work for Traveller organisations, for example. We are getting a lot of that. The employment opportunities tend to be within those smaller communities. It is about trying to widen that out. It is about meeting people where they are as well. I am very conscious of that. If somebody turns around to me and says, “What you need to do now is get a masters and do this, that and the other”, I think, “Leave me alone. I am grand where I am. Thanks very much." It is about where people want to be. As a State employer, that building was not compatible to employing people who needed wheelchair access.