Mr. Cathal Lee:

The key element to how all the SEAI schemes work, as the Chair knows, is about the measurement of the benefit and validating the benefit. The key thing about the benefit to Ms McDonnell's residents is that it can be tracked in terms of kilowatt-hour usage. The saving of renewable energy and displacing of fossil fuel usage can be measured. If, for example, the committee were to recommend or suggest to the SEAI that it designate an EnergyCloud-type scheme purely for local authorities and approved housing bodies to draw funding from, that would transform overnight the scalability and the roll-out of what we are talking about. Crucially, it would then make that linkage to what others have spoken about so that everybody is involved in the just transition. There is no difficulty in doing that in terms of the schemes that exist.