Mr. Conor King:

When we consider an example or a comparison between commissioned officer grades, which we represent, and Civil Service grades we are always told that a captain is a higher executive officer. That is based on pay grades but when we see our captains leaving and going into the Civil Service, they are going in as assistant principal officers. Some of them who went in as assistant principal officers, which is a lieutenant colonel grade have been promoted since to principal officer. Recently departed captains are principal officers in the Civil Service, which is no slight on the Civil Service, but it is a really good indicator of how sought after and how well trained our members are, and how we need to just do a little bit to retain them and save a lot.