Mr. Bernard Joyce:

I will try. On the first question on the local authorities, the arts officers and participation and engagement, I would say that, at some level, it is very minimal. In general, Travellers do not see themselves within the arts because they are not supported or enabled to participate within that. They see everything else but they do not see themselves. It is down to the goodwill of individuals in terms of their approach and engagement, but it is not driven in the policy, so it is not embedded.

That is reflective of the other challenges. There is a general sense among Travellers that local authorities are providers of housing and accommodation, and that is where the challenge is because they are seen as a kind of body where tensions already exist. The policy is not down to individuals. We need to ensure it is embedded within the policies at a national level and then filters down to a local level, and is supporting and enabling participation of the wider society and Travellers within that. At the moment, that is not very evident at a local level.