Tom Clonan (Independent) | Oireachtas source

Just to be clear, I am not downplaying the risk. Of course we all know that abusers are usually known to the survivor and very often are family members. I am talking about it from a sociological or anthropological perspective - systemic in the context of an organisation. When Tusla is dealing with an organisation such as the one we cannot mention, at our stage and with our level of expertise, such as it is, in 2019, for somebody to come to the conclusion that there is not evidence of systemic abuse is, to me, incredible.