Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Tuesday, 8 November 2022

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government

Implementing Housing for All: Discussion (Resumed)

Mr. Michael Walsh:

If you do not mind, Chair, I will comment first. In some respects it was Mr. Daly's comment earlier that reminded me of this. What one will find in respect of Limerick City and County Council's CPOs and our repair and leasing scheme is that, over time, we have built up a level of competency. That is not an instant fix such that you just put resources into it and everything flows from there. There is a whole host of judgments at individual level, particularly with the likes of repair and leasing and CPO, that if you get wrong will end up costing you on the other side of the fence, as I describe it, whether in legal cases or otherwise. That whole issue of building up competency is critical. That is true equally on the affordable side of things. We are at that point now. We have people working on this for six or eight months. We are in the hard yards of it and we are trying to build that competency in many respects. I would see that as a rolling programme in that once you build it you could keep going and will orientate it appropriately.

As for the fixing, I will leave Mr. Grimes to comment on the specifics, but one of the issues we have at the moment is that we are selling a process. We do not have the product to sell. In the ordinary sense the builder sells far more than just the building or a product. The builder sells a community: "Come here to live. Here is the quality of life, the lifestyle and all the other things." In a sense we are at that point in the transition we need to get to before we can really push the thing. We are pushing it in respect of the processes of taking applications and engaging with every single individual. We started out with 600 expressions of interest. We are now down to a couple of hundred that will possibly pursue this and we are trying to work with them and close that out, but we are learning as we go. I can absolutely assure the Senator that this is very new to us and we are just trying to take the experience. Maybe Mr. Grimes wishes to add to that.

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