Mr. Bernard Gloster:

The points made by the Secretary General and the Deputy are not a million miles apart. The Deputy gave the example of the Cork Life Centre, which is a fantastic service. There are so many examples of that around the country. The question is why that comes from within communities themselves as opposed to appearing like a proactive State intervention. Very often, State intervention at that level is much better as a funded support to community and voluntary organisations. They find a greater level of acceptance-----