David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I think we are all on the same page. I think Mr. Kearns will find members of the committee agree with everything he is saying. We need people to listen. There needs to be a shift in the mindset in the HSE. I think the Department wants change but there is some resistance from the HSE. I am not saying that some of that is not justified because it wants to provide that central guidance. That is not in question for me. I just think there is a bit more than that and there needs to be push back. I am happy with what I am hearing from Mr. Kearns.

He makes the point in his opening statement that, if this goes wrong, we could then end up with a whole new bureaucratic layer-----