Mr. Warren Graham:

Personal responsibility is important but in light of what Mr. Mullins and Mr. Black said, I would point out that there is system of punishment as a result of addiction or whatever else. A guy might have a slip and be thrown from his emergency accommodation for giving dirty urine, for example. He is immediately punished for his addiction issues if he has a slip. Second chances are great but sometimes, as Mr. Mullins said about the Timpson thing, people need to give a little more than just that one chance. It is the same in prison. If a guy is working hard in a course or engaging with education and he has an incident that gives him a P19, he will slip down from enhanced to basic or standard status. It takes a while to get back up but he may not be given the opportunity to get back up because he is seen as a problem because he has had a slip or a couple of slips. There needs to be a bit more care and concern about the fact that people will slip and that it will not be straightforward. It was not straightforward for me. It takes a long time. Thankfully, I am in a position where I constantly keep engaging. I do not fear a slip. It is inevitable, in a sense. More care and concern in dealing with individuals and their particular needs is important.