Jennifer Carroll MacNeill (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I could not agree more. I know I am over time, but we are using a custodial model as the only model that is available, notwithstanding how good it is, for somebody who has stolen sandwiches repeatedly, whose children have been separated into various care facilities or care solutions, who has not committed a violent offence, who has been the victim of violence, including sexual violence and domestic violence, and has addiction issues and mental health issues. There may be a step-down facility but perhaps there should be an interim step-up facility as well where those issues could be addressed more quickly.

I thank the witnesses for the opportunity to engage on this. I will come back with other questions on the second round.