Mr. Joseph Musgrave:

The actual rate the HSE pays a tier one provider is €27 per hour. It is a 1:1 ratio. By that, I mean the HSE pays between €16 and €17 an hour, let us say, to its employees, but it costs it the same amount to deliver the care, so the total cost to the HSE of delivering care itself is approximately €36 to €40 an hour. It is a similar cost in the private sector. By that, I mean the average wage among HCCI members is approximately €12.80 and it costs approximately the same amount again to deliver the care. There are insurance costs and back office support staff - Ms O'Rourke may be able to address that if we have time. It is insurance, training and recruitment costs, as well as the office staff who help to support the infrastructure to deliver care. I can follow up with precise breakdowns to the Deputy by email if that would be helpful.