Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

I was specifically referring to transition. Earlier, Mr. O'Rourke told one of the members that he was not a demographer, but one cannot ignore population. It is modelled in. There is an absence of other choices, such as public transport, so of course road congestion will grow because the alternatives are not being provided. I was specifically referring to items such as the DART underground, which would really give commuters a choice. I am shocked to hear that the national planning framework used the 2011 census when there is a more up-to-date census available. I am familiar with some of the growth rates outlined in the national spacial strategy. If one combines the three censuses of population, there is a pattern. Dublin city is growing by 13%, Dún Laoghaire by 13%, south Dublin by 28%, I think Fingal is 35%, Meath is 41%, Kildare 39%. That tells us that all the congestion is originating from the periphery.