Mr. Gerard Hughes:

In terms of social workers, as Mr. McBride has said, it is not particularly high by international standards. I remember doing some work on this a few years ago and we were seeing turnover rates in other jurisdictions of between 15% and 24%. It is not high, comparatively. Tusla has been doing work with UCD on retention rates within social work, which is ongoing. They have found that retention is not a particular problem. It is more the manner of the work, the protection of caseloads for new staff and so on. Once people come into the child protection and welfare service, I will not say they enjoy the work but they get great satisfaction from the work. It is a matter of giving them the supports they need-----