Ms Nóirín O'Sullivan:

In effect, the working group, which was set up to establish this, was set up on 6 August 2015. That date was the first meeting of the group. My understanding is the Department was involved in this. My point was that there are many ways of ensuring that the Department was kept fully informed and that was one way of making sure the Department was fully informed. A section 41 disclosure does not always need to take the form of a letter. Under no circumstances-----