Ms Nóirín O'Sullivan:

It goes on, it began in 2014. Part of the emphasis in 2014, and I made this point to Deputy Madigan earlier, was to ensure we start a significant cultural and structural reform. May I mention Mr. Kelly, because to be fair to Mr. Kelly, at his last appearance before the committee, when asked by the Chairman, Deputy Fleming, to clarify whether it was then or now, my understanding is that Mr. Kelly is on record as saying it was then. He openly admits the change in the culture, that he is getting co-operation and he mentioned in particular, the deputy commissioner, myself and others.