Mr. Tim Duggan:

The fee that is agreed is discounted by 30% so they end up getting 70% of the fee that is agreed based on surveys and negotiations. In the case of CIE, while in the early days of the scheme in the 1960s and early 1970s it was surveyed, that was discontinued. From that time on it has effectively been based on a service-type charge. That has been negotiated as services have been changed, expanded and enhanced over the years by the CIE group. The amount of money that has been apportioned to CIE from the free travel scheme has increased according to the enhancements to its services over the years.