Mr. Noel Waters:

It is important to say that a number of people did not want to work any hours at all. There was compulsory overtime before this was introduced. The system had to work. Middle management in prisons had the authority to call people in on overtime because they simply had no choice. Escorts had to be provided for people to go to court. People had to make hospital visits. People at this stage were in an ever-increasing culture of overtime within most prisons, particularly the big ones. Many people just wanted out of that in its entirety as well.